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OMFM · Jul 01, 2008, 07:31 PM // 19:31

I really like the idea of having the pet do more damage but when you get
farther into the game will beastmaster just get weak?
Or is it alright to use one to beat games?

TalanRoarer · Jul 01, 2008, 08:17 PM // 20:17

I believe that beastmasters can have an impact in high end pve...
seen my Guild leader make a few builds, but if you really wanna beastmaster in high end pve.. make a build of your own dude, find its weaknesses and improve them.

Chthon · Jul 01, 2008, 08:18 PM // 20:18

No, it's terrible.

I love beastmasters. They're quite fun to play. But they are third-rate when it comes to high-end anything.

Turbobusa · Jul 01, 2008, 08:21 PM // 20:21

It's OK if you macro the pet behaviour and targets.

chesterocks7 · Jul 01, 2008, 08:29 PM // 20:29

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Originally Posted by Quick_Prodigy

why don't you try it out and get back to us?

Why don't you try being helpful instead of a smartass?

To the OP, there are very few beastmaster builds that work well in the higher lvl PvE areas. When you are dealing with the higher lvl monsters you'll encounter in the tougher areas, you would really need to dedicate your whole skillbar plus attributes into beastmastery in order for your pet to have any effect on the enemies. And even then, the pet still isn't as effective against them as you can be. Still, bringing a pet along as an extra target while not dedicating too many attribute points to them can be worthwhile, and is very effective if there are 2 or 3 rangers in the group. But in case you wanted to try it out, here's some builds that may be worth looking into:
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:R/D_Enraged_Scythe
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:R/P_Beastly_Spear
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:R/P_Imba_Pet_Build
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:R/P_Norn_Beastmaster
http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:R/any_HaO_Beastmaster

EDIT: If you look on pvxwiki, there are a lot more builds than the ones above that may interest you, I just browsed through and linked the ones that caught my eye right away. Also, beastmaster's are not that popular, so I'm sure there are plenty of potential builds you could come up with, but most ppl would rather just not focus on that area.

ALF71BE · Jul 01, 2008, 09:26 PM // 21:26

Bow Ranger > Scythe Ranger > Beastmaster, IMO.

A bow won't deal uber awesome damage, though. So no, they won't get you any closer than what other kinds of builds can, but it's fun, at least in NM.

Monk Gsb · Jul 01, 2008, 09:34 PM // 21:34

dont listen to chthon, of corse beastmasters are awsome in high end pve, you just need to think about what skills your ally's can take too help them be awsome (this is not ursan u need to use ur brain when getting a build to geather) .

see:

Barbs, Mark of Pain, fragility, order of the vampire, order of pain. these are most effective when you have R/P or R/W (or a mix of both) with pets beating down on 1 target to kill it. add mutipul conditions (for fragility), and boom, bye bye things. (play it like a Barrage/pet build)

The Arching Healer · Jul 01, 2008, 09:34 PM // 21:34

Playing a Beast Master is fun, but it is almost useless in pve. A "normal" pet has 480 hp with XX armor (dont know that). So it dies pretty quick vs lv28 mobs because he rushes in.

Offcourse you have that base reduction etc. But hey, play it for fun. If you want big numbers gogo nuker

ALF71BE · Jul 01, 2008, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Originally Posted by The Arching Healer

If you want big numbers gogo nuker

lulwut.

If you want MANY numbers, gogo nuker. If you want BIG numbers, gogo warrior and necro.

Channeling_Monk · Jul 01, 2008, 10:14 PM // 22:14

I think when the OP said "Beast Master" he meant bring a ranger with pet attacks, not a ranger that uses his pet for one broken skill, then lets it die. In which case, no, pet masters suck in high end pvp.

Monk Gsb · Jul 01, 2008, 10:18 PM // 22:18

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Originally Posted by Channeling_Monk

that uses his pet for one broken skill, then lets it die.

sry to say this, but iway was nerfed a long ass time ago :P

Fay Vert · Jul 01, 2008, 10:20 PM // 22:20

I still have my first pet from day 1 pre-searing and love him, I'll never change him. But beastmasters are really weak in PvE, particularly high end. They have been nerfed and crippled relentlessly over the years because of some quirky builds that umbalanced PvP. In theory, now we have a nice split between PvP and PvE, ANet could fix the problem and bring back the pets, but sadly they are long forgotten. People care more about their minipet than they do about their ranger's pet.

Its very very sad.

Rhamia Darigaz · Jul 01, 2008, 10:24 PM // 22:24

go RaO and knock sh-...stuff down and blow them up with deep wound/daze. its a fun way to make things go boom with a pet that also gives you an excuse to use that destroyer maul you bought and secretly think looks pretty cool.

Miska Bow · Jul 01, 2008, 11:10 PM // 23:10

Having all your skills disable for 5 sec in high-end PvE is an awfull long time for the rest of your party.

Pet are fun to have in low to mid game areas. In fact most of my heroes have a different one. I stopped using them when getting those pet killed resulted in party wipes.

Useless you want to dedicate your game time to really mastering the use of your pet and becoming an experience BeastMaster, i'd say have fun while you can then when you get to end game, loose the pet.

Improvavel · Jul 02, 2008, 01:58 AM // 01:58

Might work with a spear on u.

Div · Jul 02, 2008, 08:42 AM // 08:42

Pets are fun to have when you like to roleplay. You can always use pet attacks and try to achieve high DPS numbers or whatever on the master of damage, but when it comes to actual usefulness, the pet AI is so dumb that it really hurts the build. Any splinter barrage build will outperform a beastmaster in high end areas, but if you want to have fun go ahead and use it.

Orange Milk · Jul 02, 2008, 02:43 PM // 14:43

[skill]Great Dwarf Weapon[/skill] It's been mentioned enough times in the past in other threads here that this skill on your Pet makes good things happen. Add some other pet skills for added Damage. I like to go hammer with KD's and you and your pet cAn keep things on the ground.

anyway....

It's PvE anything works for the most part. It may not be the most effective build for the area your in, but I'm sure it will work to some degree.

SnipiousMax · Jul 02, 2008, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

...the pet AI is so dumb that it really hurts the build...

This is what kills pure beastmasters. It was a matter of micromanaging a pet that was decently responsive, then it might be a different story. But as it stands, pets are an accessory not a build for the harder parts of PvE.

Vehemence · Jul 02, 2008, 07:07 PM // 19:07

I tried Packhunter build and it works much better than pure Beastmaster build.

Krill · Jul 03, 2008, 02:04 PM // 14:04

Try this:

[build=OgQTcULfRqMwSQ3oWyLczg2QAAA]

Packhunter (spear + pet) also works but tbh the dps from spears isn't that great. Use a physical spear to trigger barbs and mark of pain with this build and it does about the same damage. Using ferocious strike to manage your energy you can use your hexes and pet attacks on recharge. The dps might not be as good as splinter barrage but it's different at least.